1 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:36,930 [Music] 2 00:00:44,209 --> 00:00:41,010 blast-off on another episode of hero 3 00:00:47,900 --> 00:00:44,219 paranormal podcast my name is Ryan I 4 00:00:49,639 --> 00:00:47,910 will be your conductor on this train of 5 00:00:51,830 --> 00:00:49,649 high strangeness that we will be 6 00:00:54,860 --> 00:00:51,840 discussing with our very special guest 7 00:00:58,250 --> 00:00:54,870 his name is Doug Wright 8 00:01:02,959 --> 00:00:58,260 Doug Wright is well to put it very 9 00:01:06,289 --> 00:01:02,969 mildly a wealth of vast knowledge of the 10 00:01:10,039 --> 00:01:06,299 area of northeastern Utah the phenomena 11 00:01:13,660 --> 00:01:10,049 history and well treasure the magic 12 00:01:17,450 --> 00:01:13,670 behind the you and a basin and Doug 13 00:01:20,630 --> 00:01:17,460 along with Crider exploration robert 14 00:01:24,350 --> 00:01:20,640 Crider a very well known tracker as well 15 00:01:27,649 --> 00:01:24,360 as two navajo trackers from the four 16 00:01:30,730 --> 00:01:27,659 corners area came up to space wolf 17 00:01:36,590 --> 00:01:30,740 research to do an in-depth investigation 18 00:01:38,780 --> 00:01:36,600 doug was present and has a lot that he 19 00:01:41,710 --> 00:01:38,790 would like to share with us and I'm very 20 00:01:44,270 --> 00:01:41,720 happy that I was so blessed to have such 21 00:01:46,580 --> 00:01:44,280 professionals undertake such an 22 00:01:49,940 --> 00:01:46,590 investigation so it was definitely a 23 00:01:53,300 --> 00:01:49,950 win-win a mutual gain for both of us if 24 00:01:56,050 --> 00:01:53,310 you haven't checked out hero paranormal 25 00:01:59,240 --> 00:01:56,060 comm please do if you want to download 26 00:02:01,100 --> 00:01:59,250 archives you can do it there and if you 27 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:01,110 want to download them even quicker if 28 00:02:05,330 --> 00:02:02,850 you're on the move jumping on a flight 29 00:02:07,910 --> 00:02:05,340 jumping in a car wherever you are you 30 00:02:11,420 --> 00:02:07,920 can do it at hero paranormal dot pod 31 00:02:14,660 --> 00:02:11,430 bean dot-com we have archives there 32 00:02:18,949 --> 00:02:14,670 and also very easily downloadable 33 00:02:21,709 --> 00:02:18,959 quicker than YouTube or other formats so 34 00:02:24,649 --> 00:02:21,719 that's that without further ado let me 35 00:02:27,530 --> 00:02:24,659 bring the man with the plan with his 36 00:02:29,780 --> 00:02:27,540 treasure map in hand the one who can see 37 00:02:32,539 --> 00:02:29,790 everything going on in the mighty you in 38 00:02:37,069 --> 00:02:32,549 a basin dug right welcome to the hero 39 00:02:41,509 --> 00:02:37,079 paranormal podcast hey Doug how you 40 00:02:44,119 --> 00:02:41,519 doing I'm just I think this will be kind 41 00:02:45,860 --> 00:02:44,129 of cool to talk to somebody that was you 42 00:02:48,319 --> 00:02:45,870 know lucky enough to be in the area like 43 00:03:16,219 --> 00:02:48,329 a week before all that craziness took 44 00:03:19,119 --> 00:03:16,229 place just to kind of give people a 45 00:03:24,649 --> 00:03:19,129 little bit of history of what happened 46 00:03:28,099 --> 00:03:24,659 the RV at the space Wolf Research Center 47 00:03:31,009 --> 00:03:28,109 basically basically got vaporized by 48 00:03:33,259 --> 00:03:31,019 lightning the weekend after you and your 49 00:03:37,729 --> 00:03:33,269 crew went up there and spent a weekend 50 00:03:52,129 --> 00:03:37,739 there and you've encountered quite a bit 51 00:03:54,890 --> 00:03:52,139 of high energy correct brandon was kind 52 00:04:06,710 --> 00:03:54,900 enough to just shoot me an image of the 53 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:06,720 actual bolt like you said it looked it 54 00:04:24,410 --> 00:04:23,610 was pretty big and that is the weirdest 55 00:04:26,750 --> 00:04:24,420 thing is the 56 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:26,760 mathematical odds of something taking 57 00:04:33,140 --> 00:04:30,210 place now the high-energy part there's 58 00:04:34,940 --> 00:04:33,150 been a lot of high energy in the area 59 00:04:38,840 --> 00:04:34,950 recently where people are seeing you 60 00:04:49,330 --> 00:04:38,850 know things like ball lightning and did 61 00:04:55,870 --> 00:04:51,370 [Music] 62 00:04:59,360 --> 00:04:55,880 color was all those things I'm sure 63 00:06:11,780 --> 00:04:59,370 they're just I mean you've got a pretty 64 00:06:14,180 --> 00:06:11,790 good look at it and the zigzagging that 65 00:06:33,250 --> 00:06:14,190 is just very telling 66 00:06:40,150 --> 00:06:36,730 that reminded me of like Harry Potter's 67 00:06:44,140 --> 00:06:40,160 Hospital visionary make the spell go 68 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:44,150 wrong stavros rip it off and trim the 69 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:50,450 tail like a chaser of light like a 70 00:06:58,390 --> 00:06:56,450 tracer like yes yes I've written as that 71 00:07:00,910 --> 00:06:58,400 it's so hard to describe it's it's very 72 00:07:13,510 --> 00:07:00,920 it's just raw energy is what it looks 73 00:07:15,490 --> 00:07:13,520 like it's very wild looking now the 74 00:07:17,620 --> 00:07:15,500 energy in the area apparently from 75 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:17,630 reports is still really high I know 76 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:19,250 there's some people investigating stuff 77 00:07:25,450 --> 00:07:22,490 right now and there's been like you said 78 00:07:30,670 --> 00:07:25,460 lights odd sounds things of that nature 79 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:30,680 you guys were very lucky enough I guess 80 00:07:35,890 --> 00:07:32,690 it's not really luck very prepared and 81 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:35,900 and to go into that a little bit the 82 00:07:40,750 --> 00:07:38,810 group that Doug went out with the Robert 83 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:40,760 we are talking about is Robert Crider 84 00:07:47,860 --> 00:07:44,570 and that's quite an iteration and this 85 00:07:50,860 --> 00:07:47,870 crew is very professional they they have 86 00:07:56,050 --> 00:07:50,870 policies and procedures they they are 87 00:07:57,580 --> 00:07:56,060 always armed for the most part not not 88 00:08:00,700 --> 00:07:57,590 to necessarily use it 89 00:08:04,630 --> 00:08:00,710 they are mostly I believe all veterans 90 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:04,640 and yeah there were trackers on board 91 00:08:08,290 --> 00:08:06,290 can you go a little bit into the cream 92 00:09:23,730 --> 00:08:08,300 just so I mean this was not just a bunch 93 00:09:32,470 --> 00:09:27,430 and you know the Four Corners area has 94 00:09:36,059 --> 00:09:32,480 its has its fair share of magic if you 95 00:10:11,230 --> 00:09:36,069 want to call it that cultural and 96 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:11,240 classified government that's right 97 00:10:15,639 --> 00:10:13,970 that's right it's somewhere it's last 98 00:10:18,550 --> 00:10:15,649 it's it's hiding in plain sight if 99 00:10:20,050 --> 00:10:18,560 that's the case an interesting part 100 00:10:25,420 --> 00:10:20,060 I believe you mentioned the Navajo 101 00:10:27,049 --> 00:10:25,430 tracker is they and yourselves did the 102 00:10:30,619 --> 00:10:27,059 right moves and came across 103 00:10:32,659 --> 00:10:30,629 some some things I believe one of them 104 00:10:36,019 --> 00:10:32,669 one of the trackers names with junebug 105 00:10:38,659 --> 00:10:36,029 and you guys came across something that 106 00:10:51,110 --> 00:10:38,669 I wanted to touch base on which seem to 107 00:11:03,969 --> 00:11:00,410 [Music] 108 00:11:09,589 --> 00:11:06,349 well I'll tell you why I kind of wanted 109 00:11:13,239 --> 00:11:09,599 to go in this direction is Robert told 110 00:11:16,789 --> 00:11:13,249 me about this and I was skeptical and 111 00:11:21,349 --> 00:11:16,799 when I recently went up I made it a 112 00:11:24,789 --> 00:11:21,359 point to kind of post up and get up and 113 00:11:27,859 --> 00:11:24,799 be there and in an area where I can view 114 00:11:31,099 --> 00:11:27,869 everything at a time when I thought this 115 00:11:33,259 --> 00:11:31,109 might be taking place and and I'll tell 116 00:11:36,439 --> 00:11:33,269 you what Doug I saw what I what I don't 117 00:11:41,449 --> 00:11:36,449 know what I saw but I can tell you what 118 00:11:44,359 --> 00:11:41,459 I didn't see and it wasn't I don't 119 00:11:46,749 --> 00:11:44,369 believe it was people with any kind of 120 00:11:49,939 --> 00:11:46,759 regular clothing on I'll say that 121 00:11:54,069 --> 00:11:49,949 because it was early in the morning it 122 00:11:59,569 --> 00:11:54,079 was around 3:30 something in the morning 123 00:12:01,639 --> 00:11:59,579 and it seemed to me like a father and a 124 00:12:04,129 --> 00:12:01,649 son is what it seemed to me like a 125 00:12:07,309 --> 00:12:04,139 father and a younger son and the father 126 00:12:10,399 --> 00:12:07,319 was kind of kind of making noises like 127 00:12:13,309 --> 00:12:10,409 um an almost sounded like language it 128 00:12:15,829 --> 00:12:13,319 really did but I was warm enough away I 129 00:12:17,269 --> 00:12:15,839 couldn't make it out and you know I even 130 00:12:19,549 --> 00:12:17,279 thought could this be my neighbors and 131 00:12:21,409 --> 00:12:19,559 then I'm like nah man there's no way you 132 00:12:40,220 --> 00:12:21,419 know this is so far out here they're 133 00:12:40,230 --> 00:13:01,160 [Applause] 134 00:13:15,060 --> 00:13:03,600 that's what it feels like tunnels yeah 135 00:13:17,910 --> 00:13:15,070 like it has been manicured I I was 136 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:17,920 doubtful and now I've thought more and 137 00:13:23,910 --> 00:13:20,770 more about that and I don't know what I 138 00:13:26,310 --> 00:13:23,920 saw but it was definitely odd behavior 139 00:13:29,220 --> 00:13:26,320 for a hominid because it was definitely 140 00:13:30,750 --> 00:13:29,230 people like human-like and then I 141 00:13:32,250 --> 00:13:30,760 thought you know they didn't have 142 00:13:34,110 --> 00:13:32,260 anything in their hands so they weren't 143 00:13:35,190 --> 00:13:34,120 armed cuz I immediately thought oh it's 144 00:13:36,630 --> 00:13:35,200 probably just the neighbors maybe 145 00:13:40,050 --> 00:13:36,640 they're poaching you know you think the 146 00:13:42,690 --> 00:13:40,060 worst or maybe it's a yeah security or 147 00:13:44,610 --> 00:13:42,700 somebody armed or no guns no weapons of 148 00:14:12,960 --> 00:13:44,620 any kind but I couldn't make out any 149 00:14:15,780 --> 00:14:12,970 clothing sounds very similar kind of a 150 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:15,790 you know like come and then that could I 151 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:17,170 could hear the younger one or what I 152 00:14:20,790 --> 00:14:19,450 thought it was just perception but what 153 00:14:46,970 --> 00:14:20,800 I thought might have been a younger one 154 00:15:17,030 --> 00:15:13,280 I agree I agree 155 00:15:20,030 --> 00:15:17,040 and the route that I saw them take had 156 00:15:22,460 --> 00:15:20,040 no rhyme or reason for human to take 157 00:15:24,230 --> 00:15:22,470 that route you could kind of you could 158 00:15:26,900 --> 00:15:24,240 see the shadows through the you know at 159 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:26,910 that time of day there night it's really 160 00:15:31,610 --> 00:15:29,730 more nearly you're barely getting a 161 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:31,620 little bit of ambient light from the Sun 162 00:15:36,620 --> 00:15:34,170 that's not even peaking over you know so 163 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:36,630 it was tough but they were close enough 164 00:15:43,610 --> 00:15:38,610 to give you an idea I do know where the 165 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:43,620 old outhouse is out there did you get 166 00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:47,730 dissolve no okay well they were pretty 167 00:15:58,610 --> 00:15:53,040 darn close it was but you know you 168 00:16:25,309 --> 00:15:58,620 should yell out my instinct kicked in 169 00:16:27,050 --> 00:16:25,319 and I thought now that's right and 170 00:16:30,490 --> 00:16:27,060 you're absolutely right it's just a 171 00:16:34,370 --> 00:16:30,500 checkerboard of tribal and private and 172 00:16:36,829 --> 00:16:34,380 very hard to whoever they were when they 173 00:16:38,540 --> 00:16:36,839 were just jumped look with reckless 174 00:16:41,569 --> 00:16:38,550 abandon trespassing with reckless 175 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:41,579 abandon over everybody and yeah and 176 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:43,610 quickly they were covering ground 177 00:16:48,230 --> 00:16:46,410 super-quick was the other thing that I 178 00:16:51,170 --> 00:16:48,240 thought was strange because I saw them 179 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:51,180 coming kind of from the homestead to the 180 00:16:58,100 --> 00:16:55,410 east in the distance and but in the 181 00:16:59,600 --> 00:16:58,110 trees about that distance and so that's 182 00:17:02,810 --> 00:16:59,610 pretty far and they were up 183 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:02,820 on me in no time and they were past me 184 00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:04,890 in no time and I just thought wow that 185 00:17:34,850 --> 00:17:06,480 was really quick why was the dad telling 186 00:17:37,010 --> 00:17:34,860 the kid to come on that's a good way to 187 00:18:14,710 --> 00:17:37,020 do it I like that you have the flight 188 00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:17,180 great technology and that's what I love 189 00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:20,160 about you guys is you always you have 190 00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:21,840 the best technology but you also try to 191 00:18:51,370 --> 00:18:24,480 do the rational thing first and look for 192 00:18:58,940 --> 00:18:55,870 absolutely absolutely a question about 193 00:19:01,520 --> 00:18:58,950 just what you felt when you found out 194 00:19:03,730 --> 00:19:01,530 that you know the place that you'd been 195 00:19:33,330 --> 00:19:03,740 and stayed the weekend before got 196 00:19:39,620 --> 00:19:36,100 [Music] 197 00:19:41,510 --> 00:19:39,630 yeah there were parts it hard to believe 198 00:19:45,950 --> 00:19:41,520 you know some of the ground there is 199 00:19:49,580 --> 00:19:45,960 somewhat sandy and some of that sand had 200 00:19:51,650 --> 00:19:49,590 been turned into silica into literally 201 00:19:56,540 --> 00:19:51,660 it had been turned to glass like there 202 00:20:32,720 --> 00:19:56,550 were sheets of glass where the had done 203 00:20:34,610 --> 00:20:32,730 some kind of chemical reaction very 204 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:34,620 interesting I think that would be the 205 00:20:38,780 --> 00:20:36,210 right thing to do yeah 206 00:20:42,790 --> 00:20:38,790 it's it's very we really blessed that 207 00:20:45,380 --> 00:20:42,800 nobody was nearby other you know than 208 00:21:07,650 --> 00:20:45,390 caretakers close by which we're very 209 00:21:17,020 --> 00:21:13,419 and a lot of the phenomena could this is 210 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:17,030 a theory be interactive with some of 211 00:21:58,419 --> 00:21:19,970 that raw energy that is you can feel it 212 00:22:02,549 --> 00:21:58,429 really in the air and I've heard that 213 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:02,559 from people before that say oh you know 214 00:22:08,020 --> 00:22:06,110 it's just like everywhere else because 215 00:22:10,270 --> 00:22:08,030 you can see these everywhere and I agree 216 00:22:12,430 --> 00:22:10,280 that these can be seen everywhere but 217 00:22:16,299 --> 00:22:12,440 like you said like you said sometimes 218 00:23:11,000 --> 00:22:16,309 the the voracity and just the amount is 219 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:18,270 and finally at the bottom but you know 220 00:23:24,150 --> 00:23:21,610 dug that area that over there where you 221 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:24,160 you've you've worked over there is in my 222 00:23:28,620 --> 00:23:26,650 in in my opinion all of that they're all 223 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:28,630 a Windy Ridge going towards might'n is 224 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:32,770 one of the most under you know 225 00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:36,930 researched and most active locations and 226 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:40,240 there's a possibility that that big old 227 00:23:43,980 --> 00:23:42,250 train system it's looking like a hundred 228 00:23:46,620 --> 00:23:43,990 percent but I don't know at least it was 229 00:23:49,290 --> 00:23:46,630 before kovat nineteen showed up but they 230 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:49,300 were going to plug a train system line 231 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:52,450 right through the basin going pretty 232 00:24:06,560 --> 00:23:55,890 close to there and going pretty cold 233 00:24:13,860 --> 00:24:10,140 right so we may have a limited time to 234 00:25:14,220 --> 00:24:13,870 even be able to research they haven't 235 00:25:21,330 --> 00:25:14,230 already in their energy for bankruptcy 236 00:25:27,490 --> 00:25:24,399 those were really big projects we're 237 00:25:30,130 --> 00:25:27,500 talking about lots and just so many jobs 238 00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:30,140 it's unfathomable when I heard that the 239 00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,480 railroad is going through my initial 240 00:25:36,669 --> 00:25:34,159 reaction was like what about all the 241 00:25:39,940 --> 00:25:36,679 truckers cuz I mean most of the people I 242 00:26:21,490 --> 00:25:39,950 know are truckers in the area if they 243 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:21,500 don't work in the field it's fascinating 244 00:26:26,919 --> 00:26:24,890 the area there it is and it's big that 245 00:26:30,639 --> 00:26:26,929 that Windy Ridge and all of that to the 246 00:26:34,380 --> 00:26:30,649 south between might'n and the area we're 247 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:34,390 discussing is really big something a 248 00:26:41,980 --> 00:26:37,850 question I had for you is something I 249 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:41,990 saw in that area more or less was and 250 00:26:46,899 --> 00:26:44,809 they've been seen by gosh just about 251 00:26:50,919 --> 00:26:46,909 everybody it seems not I was one of the 252 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:50,929 late seers I saw it back in the I saw it 253 00:26:54,220 --> 00:26:52,610 back in the early 2000s but I hadn't 254 00:26:56,649 --> 00:26:54,230 seen it since and it's these these 255 00:26:59,769 --> 00:26:56,659 pillars of light many explained that 256 00:27:01,899 --> 00:26:59,779 this can be explained off by natural gas 257 00:27:03,940 --> 00:27:01,909 being burnt off which it is on these 258 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:03,950 rigs can you give us a little bit into 259 00:27:55,410 --> 00:28:03,420 [Music] 260 00:28:36,910 --> 00:28:33,030 in the and the reason I bring that up is 261 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:36,920 it has been suggested that many people 262 00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:39,290 who claim to see this or misidentifying 263 00:28:44,410 --> 00:28:42,110 this with that with the flares and the 264 00:28:46,570 --> 00:28:44,420 burn off but I wanted to clarify that 265 00:28:49,150 --> 00:28:46,580 there's actually two things going on 266 00:28:50,830 --> 00:28:49,160 there really are these these burn off 267 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:50,840 C's flares and then there's something 268 00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,050 different as well that is is a whole 269 00:28:59,740 --> 00:28:56,480 other thing that has been caught on some 270 00:29:03,310 --> 00:28:59,750 footage almost looks more like a I don't 271 00:29:21,490 --> 00:29:03,320 want to say maser or laser or beam of 272 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:21,500 some sort right yeah Dave Rosenfeld has 273 00:29:27,250 --> 00:29:25,490 captured a couple times and and he's 274 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:27,260 gotten really crisp and clear so there 275 00:29:31,390 --> 00:29:29,050 are different things taking place 276 00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:31,400 another question I wanted to ask you and 277 00:29:36,250 --> 00:29:33,820 you you're not the nice thing Doug is 278 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:36,260 having you out there checking stuff out 279 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:38,810 is you obviously won't miss identify 280 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:40,010 something like that because you're so 281 00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:40,850 familiar with 282 00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,110 so it's really kind of nice to have 283 00:29:47,260 --> 00:29:44,720 somebody that knows their stuff and not 284 00:29:48,580 --> 00:29:47,270 get not get confused with you know 285 00:31:17,940 --> 00:29:48,590 seeing something and thinking it's 286 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:17,950 something else yeah they may be able to 287 00:31:23,170 --> 00:31:20,570 interact and once that interaction or 288 00:31:26,140 --> 00:31:23,180 bridge is gapped and there's that 289 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:26,150 connection they are aware it seems like 290 00:31:30,430 --> 00:31:28,130 more maybe more aware they are more 291 00:31:31,780 --> 00:31:30,440 aware of us the same way we possibly are 292 00:31:34,180 --> 00:31:31,790 more aware of them and I hate to even 293 00:32:28,929 --> 00:31:34,190 call them them but I'm more more aware 294 00:32:36,999 --> 00:32:33,189 and that is where the science is headed 295 00:32:39,939 --> 00:32:37,009 that there is in fact these these these 296 00:32:43,329 --> 00:32:39,949 bridges that are made these tethers that 297 00:32:45,489 --> 00:32:43,339 seems to be that as you mentioned this 298 00:32:47,409 --> 00:32:45,499 there's somewhat of a genetic capability 299 00:32:49,809 --> 00:32:47,419 if you start doing it I don't know if 300 00:32:51,939 --> 00:32:49,819 there's a learning curve or if it's 301 00:32:54,069 --> 00:32:51,949 actually predisposed the science is 302 00:32:55,779 --> 00:32:54,079 still probably decades away from that 303 00:32:57,219 --> 00:32:55,789 but it's closing in I'll tell you it's 304 00:32:58,749 --> 00:32:57,229 really interesting where everything is 305 00:33:01,479 --> 00:32:58,759 going as far as you ApS 306 00:33:04,209 --> 00:33:01,489 and disclosure and I wanted to ask you 307 00:33:05,709 --> 00:33:04,219 what other oh my goodness I'm glad you 308 00:33:08,259 --> 00:33:05,719 went into the Douglas pass stuff 309 00:33:09,639 --> 00:33:08,269 what other sightings have you had in 310 00:33:48,890 --> 00:33:09,649 your neck of the woods that have just 311 00:33:48,900 --> 00:35:25,160 [Music] 312 00:35:40,740 --> 00:35:36,860 you know knots of birds crashed and 313 00:35:43,530 --> 00:35:40,750 spawn out there she said around open 314 00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:43,540 light came out and she says she talks 315 00:35:51,330 --> 00:35:46,780 are very tall silver and hit the craft 316 00:35:55,050 --> 00:35:51,340 and down the ramp and off into the area 317 00:35:59,220 --> 00:35:55,060 and then came back and closed up and 318 00:36:00,960 --> 00:35:59,230 took off which I didn't see at all and I 319 00:36:03,870 --> 00:36:00,970 was looking in the same direction so 320 00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:03,880 what we think happened is for some odd 321 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:07,270 reason they allowed my daughter to see 322 00:36:12,610 --> 00:36:22,160 [Music] 323 00:36:29,010 --> 00:36:26,190 it's it's unfathomable really but it's 324 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:29,020 true in my opinion that the observer 325 00:36:34,650 --> 00:36:32,170 this is a really amazing and intricate 326 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:34,660 dance that we're seeing between whatever 327 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:37,690 it is performing and the observer and it 328 00:36:44,430 --> 00:36:41,290 appears that the communication is 329 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:44,440 something that we can't single out or we 330 00:36:50,270 --> 00:36:48,250 don't understand the interesting thing 331 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:50,280 is that some of these areas are 332 00:36:54,930 --> 00:36:52,930 consistent and I'm glad that you brought 333 00:36:56,730 --> 00:36:54,940 up Erika leekes because she's keyed in 334 00:37:00,300 --> 00:36:56,740 on some of these consistent areas 335 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:00,310 whether it be Norway or northeastern 336 00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,330 Utah and that that's that's great I 337 00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:06,400 think I think that you know the more 338 00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:08,320 people that are working towards a common 339 00:37:13,380 --> 00:37:11,200 goal the affiliation will lead to 340 00:37:33,540 --> 00:37:13,390 exponential gain in the field and we're 341 00:37:36,210 --> 00:37:33,550 starting to see that I'm really 342 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:36,220 fascinated Doug and wanted to ask you 343 00:37:40,530 --> 00:37:38,530 some questions about the treasure 344 00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:40,540 hunting aspect of all this and the 345 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:45,070 recent find near near near the area were 346 00:37:49,890 --> 00:37:47,290 discussing there was a recent treasure 347 00:37:51,390 --> 00:37:49,900 find kind of planted but what got you 348 00:38:22,830 --> 00:37:51,400 into the treasure hunting and how did 349 00:38:22,840 --> 00:39:40,790 [Music] 350 00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:07,020 you know I was only a mile from the 351 00:40:18,030 --> 00:40:14,250 trail that runs right through here the 352 00:40:22,740 --> 00:40:18,040 northern branch where the Padres are in 353 00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:22,750 North Bimini smash Kalani at 1776 made 354 00:40:27,630 --> 00:40:25,089 that journey trying to find overland 355 00:40:32,220 --> 00:40:27,640 route from South a all the way over to 356 00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:32,230 California which they didn't make it but 357 00:40:40,849 --> 00:40:35,250 we they learned a lot about Utah and 358 00:40:44,430 --> 00:40:40,859 this part of Colorado very trip so I 359 00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:44,440 always looked at it as like I think I 360 00:40:50,609 --> 00:40:47,920 said earlier is the way you're in 361 00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:50,619 Palestine where you want to go for Lane 362 00:40:57,530 --> 00:40:54,640 have that back then then you had to 363 00:41:00,960 --> 00:40:57,540 follow the water because water was life 364 00:41:02,730 --> 00:41:00,970 was rather life it was him that you 365 00:41:05,099 --> 00:41:02,740 would be along the way because there was 366 00:41:06,650 --> 00:41:05,109 no circle too hard to stop off and 367 00:41:11,940 --> 00:41:06,660 you're with you 368 00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:11,950 so they started you know I playing in it 369 00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:13,750 did on the Oregon Trail that would make 370 00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:16,270 a lot of cars over on top of a hill so 371 00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:18,070 they you know there are paths where they 372 00:41:24,510 --> 00:41:21,910 need to be on now is that Ivan finding 373 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:24,520 is a little more complex 374 00:41:31,020 --> 00:41:28,450 I don't know why I think some of its 375 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:31,030 symbolic depending on so how the trail 376 00:41:36,930 --> 00:41:34,810 was set I found a lot of these you can 377 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:36,940 verify that they are actually not 378 00:41:42,180 --> 00:41:39,490 arguing earlier actually inspected by 379 00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:42,190 man because you can put a compass on 380 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:45,730 them and 8% of the time they're going to 381 00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:47,410 be on cardinal points and that doesn't 382 00:41:53,010 --> 00:41:50,710 happen by accident and then are the 383 00:41:55,410 --> 00:41:53,020 other ones which I think are off the 384 00:41:57,420 --> 00:41:55,420 beaten path to like to me that might 385 00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:57,430 have died on the trail and this very 386 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:02,800 event those the coordinates when you put 387 00:42:08,190 --> 00:42:04,450 on your compass are going to be a 388 00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,200 multiple of 30 and then you can take in 389 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:10,480 the 9 to 10 degrees of magnetic 390 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:13,650 declination and you're spot-on so 391 00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:16,810 there's obviously some design behind it 392 00:42:22,570 --> 00:42:20,160 and then when you see the same shapes 393 00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:22,580 used through different state 394 00:42:27,340 --> 00:42:25,430 you know you're onto something so I've 395 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:27,350 been working that area for a while and I 396 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:29,570 find the different ones and I could have 397 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:31,130 bought a map I'm starting to get 398 00:42:36,490 --> 00:42:33,170 overhead look because I want to see if 399 00:42:39,130 --> 00:42:36,500 there's some mathematical equation that 400 00:42:40,570 --> 00:42:39,140 was used when they were laid out and 401 00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:40,580 then who know that I might find 402 00:42:46,180 --> 00:42:45,200 something because with all thanks to the 403 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:46,190 modern world 404 00:43:05,680 --> 00:42:50,810 at Instagram I have found somewhat of a 405 00:43:07,690 --> 00:43:05,690 match and in Iran versus Colorado and I 406 00:43:11,260 --> 00:43:07,700 didn't tell you where they were you 407 00:43:13,420 --> 00:43:11,270 would never difference no I'm not saying 408 00:43:16,990 --> 00:43:13,430 that the agent Persians made it to call 409 00:43:24,610 --> 00:43:17,000 out oh but somebody is using the same 410 00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:24,620 style right learn something now to be 411 00:43:33,550 --> 00:43:30,710 found is what I think and it does seem 412 00:43:50,110 --> 00:43:33,560 that way like it is a treasure map 413 00:43:52,030 --> 00:43:50,120 really really walked along and there was 414 00:43:53,140 --> 00:43:52,040 a recent box I don't know if yeah I'm 415 00:43:59,020 --> 00:43:53,150 sure you've heard of this 416 00:44:00,610 --> 00:43:59,030 that's what's yeah yeah can you tell us 417 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:00,620 a little bit about that I know that you 418 00:45:03,690 --> 00:44:32,450 know way more than I do when I'm going 419 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:06,010 fascinating and in its in the same 420 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:08,210 general northeastern kind of area of 421 00:45:13,930 --> 00:45:11,210 it's actually in Colorado but a lot 422 00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:13,940 close by a very interesting story and a 423 00:45:19,780 --> 00:45:16,640 lot of history of treasure and treasure 424 00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,790 hunters and odd phenomenon and I just I 425 00:45:24,070 --> 00:45:21,920 can't thank you enough Doug for coming 426 00:45:26,290 --> 00:45:24,080 on the podcast and sharing your 427 00:45:29,710 --> 00:45:26,300 knowledge your vast knowledge of the 428 00:45:31,660 --> 00:45:29,720 area interesting phenomena the history 429 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:31,670 involved with the magic behind the 430 00:45:36,340 --> 00:45:34,010 Uintah Basin and I can't wait to have 431 00:45:37,570 --> 00:45:36,350 you back and and hopefully do some 432 00:46:03,660 --> 00:45:37,580 investigating with you that would be 433 00:46:08,530 --> 00:46:06,730 and I hope to talk to you seeing Doug 434 00:46:10,750 --> 00:46:08,540 have a blessed weekend and I'll 435 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:10,760 hopefully touch base with you as soon as 436 00:46:18,910 --> 00:46:16,390 Wow such a wealth of knowledge the guy 437 00:46:22,110 --> 00:46:18,920 I'm telling you barely scratched the 438 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:22,120 surface of the knowledge that Doug has 439 00:46:28,810 --> 00:46:24,650 can't thank him enough for coming on the 440 00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:28,820 program Doug came out to visit me one 441 00:46:36,970 --> 00:46:32,960 day and we did a little tour of property 442 00:46:40,030 --> 00:46:36,980 known as space wolf research and we came 443 00:46:43,450 --> 00:46:40,040 across a something strange 444 00:46:45,330 --> 00:46:43,460 we went out very nonchalantly casual 445 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:45,340 beautiful summer day 446 00:46:50,250 --> 00:46:48,130 we watched some of the waterways 447 00:46:52,980 --> 00:46:50,260 actually no we were in a golf cart we 448 00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:52,990 were golf carting around and we came to 449 00:46:56,460 --> 00:46:54,880 a stop turned around had a nice 450 00:46:59,970 --> 00:46:56,470 conversation went back the same way we 451 00:47:03,840 --> 00:46:59,980 came and all within about an hour 45 452 00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:03,850 minutes I'd say and there was a deer 453 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:07,990 severed deer leg on our way back to the 454 00:47:14,850 --> 00:47:12,250 vehicles so very interesting and healthy 455 00:47:19,890 --> 00:47:14,860 respect for the area and the ability to 456 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:19,900 instill fear Doug is veteran he is a 457 00:47:25,530 --> 00:47:23,290 treasure hunter he is a man of the 458 00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,540 people bringing us energy and has worked 459 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:28,000 for many years doing so very 460 00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:31,570 knowledgeable educated and I couldn't be 461 00:47:37,140 --> 00:47:33,310 more tickled about the guest this 462 00:47:41,220 --> 00:47:37,150 weekend I hope to bring more guests like 463 00:47:44,810 --> 00:47:41,230 Doug as epic as he is we will try to 464 00:47:48,330 --> 00:47:44,820 keep that bar at the level that's at and 465 00:47:50,430 --> 00:47:48,340 and keep bringing the listeners which is 466 00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:50,440 you guys the most interesting stuff that 467 00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:52,270 we are able to find which right now it's 468 00:47:55,950 --> 00:47:54,250 gosh it's just everywhere so I need to 469 00:47:57,300 --> 00:47:55,960 buck up I need to get in to put it in 470 00:47:59,220 --> 00:47:57,310 high gear and start putting out more 471 00:48:01,500 --> 00:47:59,230 content because I'm having a hard time 472 00:48:04,610 --> 00:48:01,510 keeping up with all of these things 473 00:48:08,220 --> 00:48:04,620 going on we have Co vid 19 coronavirus 474 00:48:09,810 --> 00:48:08,230 Epstein gives a get it I been a total 475 00:48:12,030 --> 00:48:09,820 idiot I've noticed that I've said her 476 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:12,040 name wrong it's Gil Lane Maxwell not 477 00:48:17,780 --> 00:48:15,130 Ghislaine I'm a total you don't learn 478 00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:17,790 how to pronounce things so we have the 479 00:48:23,970 --> 00:48:20,530 Maxwell conspiracy taking place 480 00:48:25,370 --> 00:48:23,980 currently we have the list goes on and 481 00:48:27,630 --> 00:48:25,380 on you ApS 482 00:48:30,780 --> 00:48:27,640 all kinds of neat things in 483 00:48:34,770 --> 00:48:30,790 consciousness the world of ufology is 484 00:48:37,380 --> 00:48:34,780 just exploding with theories and rabid 485 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:37,390 for answers great minds all working 486 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:38,290 together in unison 487 00:48:43,740 --> 00:48:41,650 we will continue to try to keep it up 488 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:43,750 thanks so much for listening if you 489 00:48:50,130 --> 00:48:45,850 haven't yet go to hero paranormal calm 490 00:48:53,310 --> 00:48:50,140 or hero paranormal pod bean calm to 491 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:53,320 listen to the archives and please 492 00:48:56,940 --> 00:48:55,090 continue to listen to us and we will 493 00:48:58,319 --> 00:48:56,950 continue to bring you the good stuff 494 00:49:11,130 --> 00:48:58,329 until next time keep your eyes to the